Four In The Morning...

B Bailey Brown · Post by **B Bailey Brown** » 4 Feb 2002 4:30 pm

Ok, I have a question. One of my favorite waltzes is “It’s Four In The Morning” by Faron Young. I have always wondered who played steel on that. Anybody have an answer?

B. Bailey Brown

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 4 Feb 2002 5:13 pm

It was Lloydtone Green.

...............or was that you?

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 4 Feb 2002 5:30 pm

Bad news Mike,better ask which session, I know more about this one! Lloyd Knows who did this recording in '72 anyway.
Seymour

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 4 Feb 2002 7:51 pm

Bobbe, I was wrong ONCE involving none other than the Universally famous Slim Whitman but I thought I did my homework on this one. Was there more than one recording of Four In The Morning? It went #1 in March of 1972 which would make one think it would have been cut sometime in late 1971. To be quite honest

with both of you, I seem to think it was me who recorded on that song but I've slept since then!

.............or was it...............?

Dave Birkett · Post by **Dave Birkett** » 4 Feb 2002 9:02 pm

According to Ricky's and Rebel's website, it was Lloyd Green.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 4 Feb 2002 9:52 pm

It was Lloyd Green and myself. He recorded the hit that was released December 12 1971. This was on the Columbia label. Early spring of 1972, I recorded "Four in the Morning" along with,"Welcome to my World" and several others. I just got off the phone with Lloyd to get his memories on this deal. The reason I got to do the second session, (that was to be used for direct user sales), was because Faron was part producer on this series of sessions and he wanted the steel player that did these sessions to do some personal appearances with him. Lloyd said, "NO WAY" and this opened the door to me.Faron and I had already become good friends by this time because of our running into each other so much in town, partying and working silly things together. Faron's picture is on the cover of my second album, which was taken during one of these crazy , mad,wild, around town tours of Nashville.After I did the sessions, I ran across Lloyd one day in the local resturant and he asked, Isn't that a hard way to break into sessions? He stated he wouldn't go on the road again for all the Faron sessions, the rest of his life!
The sessions were done at Columbia ,Studio "B". Johnny Gimbal,Grady Martin,Tommy Markem,Pete Wade,Big Red Hayes,Hank Singer,Joe Zinkin, myself on steel and a studio guest was the great Merle Haggard steel player, Norman Hamlett.
The first session, as Lloyd stated, did not have Grady, or most of these musicians on it.
This session was a very great session and as I remember, we did three songs per hour 'till the album was completed. No overdubs or fixes.
Who played steel on the one you were listening??? Depends on where you heard it. It was either Lloyd, or yours truly. Depends-------(probably Lloyd!If it was out of tune,ha ha!)
Bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 04 February 2002 at 09:56 PM.]

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 4 Feb 2002 10:05 pm

Also, the album I did with Faron's picture on the front, has "Four in the Morning" on it. The name of the album is "Pure Country Steel", Now only avalable in cassette. This is my salute to the great Faron Young and all the good times we had destroying Nashville together. I miss him and feel he was one of the very greatest country singers of all time. Yes, he would take a drink with you, or anyone, almost anytime,but he sure made me laugh, A LOT!!

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 4 Feb 2002 10:44 pm

Bobbe, I have the album cover in my hand and it is Mercury, not Columbia. It is the Four In The Morning Album with him resting his face on his fists and it lists Lloyd, not me, as the steel player!

It was cut in Mercury Custom Recording Studio's in Nashville.

Musicians:

Guitars: Harold Bradley, Ray Edenton, Jerry Kennedy, Odell Martin, Jerry Shook & chip Young.

Drums: Buddy Harmon

Bass: Bob Moore

Piano: Pig Robbins

Steel Guitar: LLOYD GREEN (not me!)

Fiddle: Red Hayes, Henry Hunsinger, Tommy Jackson & Buddy Spicher

The picture of Faron was taken at 1:22 PM whatever day it was and not 4 in the morning!!!!!!

You can see the time on his watch. Bobbe, can you show us your album that you cut on?

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 4 Feb 2002 10:51 pm

Exactly Mike, Read my post! There were TWO albums. I was on the second,Lloyd was on the first!!!! Sorry about the label,You are right! It was Mercury. You have Lloyds number, call him and he can tell you all this. I did the Faron Young session at COLUMBIA , studio "B". I'll show you the album next time your in town AND let you hear it. Read my post again and you'll see this you big DUMMY!
Yes , I still love you! I can't spell and YOU CAN"T READ!

(everyone else,this also the way we talk to each other in person)

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 4 Feb 2002 11:00 pm

Also you can see by that schlocky bunch of amature musicians that recorded with the Lloyd Green fiasco, my session with Faron has GOT to be much superior!!!!
I bet Lloyd is loving this one,reading all this and not getting to post!!
Come on down Mike and lets put some money where your mouth is. I have an album to show you! Ask Norm Hamlett, he was there!

I was just kidding about the schlocky musicians recording with Lloyd, but I had Grady Martin with me!

B

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 4 Feb 2002 11:02 pm

OK Bobbe but I still say it was me on the album and not your or Lloydtone!

......maybe there were THREE albums cut!!!

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 4 Feb 2002 11:08 pm

You are right about ONE THING! It was Mercury, not Columbia. Why do I love to argue with you? You don't get to argue with your customers, that's one place you always get in the last word! I guess you could get the last word in here too, if you are MY undertaker! I know you would be the last to let me down tho.

My buddy , Mike W.

(sell me that sunburst push-pull)
(you big dummy)

Jeff Coffell · Post by **Jeff Coffell** » 5 Feb 2002 11:15 am

The only thing in life for sure is that it damn sure wasn't me. And another thing in life that I know for sure; YOU TWO CRACKK ME UP

"PLUMB COUNTRY"

Rusty Hurse · Post by **Rusty Hurse** » 5 Feb 2002 1:14 pm

Bobbe tells us all about the Happy Steel Guitar albums.(LAUGH)Remember I am still your DOC and I can tell alot!

B Bailey Brown · Post by **B Bailey Brown** » 5 Feb 2002 3:52 pm

I have a comment here, and please don’t take it the wrong way. Bobbe and Mike, I truly enjoy your “banter” with each other. It doesn’t always impart a lot of useful information…but you guys are entertaining as hell!!

Moving along now, I noticed something in Mike’s post about the album. The fiddle players were Red Hayes and Henry Hunsinger. They were in Faron’s road band! Red was one of the legendary fiddle players in the world. Henry Hunsinger is “Hank Singer’s” real name. For anybody that knows anything about a fiddle, Hank is just about as good as there is! I remember Hank telling me about being on the road with Red, and that he was his “mentor”. He was overseas with Faron when Red had a heart attack and died.

What is interesting about Mike’s post is that Nashville had moved to using studio musicians by that time, but apparently Faron said, “I want MY fiddle players on this session!” I remember hearing a story about Darrell McCall, and I think I heard it from either Hank or Ron Knuth. Darrell was working out of San Antonio at the time, and he had a deal with the “country” version of Atlantic Records to do an album. He said he was going to bring his band to do the session in Nashville, and Atlantic said, “NO, you can’t do that!!” Darrell hung tough and said, “Are you telling me that Hank Singer, Ron Knuth and Dicky Overby are not good enough to play in your studio??!!” He won, and out of that session came “Still A Lot Of Love In San Antone” and several other Hits.

I guess there were some guys that could get things done in Nashville back then.

B. Bailey Brown

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 5 Feb 2002 3:54 pm

I heard that the third album was cut by Jeff Coffell AND Mike Weirauch (the big dummy of forum fame). Lloyd says he could care less, he was on the first one, I could care less cuz I was on the second one (with pay!).
Mike weirauch,I just realized,you arn't old enough to have been on it, you were only three years old when Lloyd and I recorded these sessions. I also understand that you were three for over twenty two years.
Slick Sliden

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 5 Feb 2002 7:09 pm

Mike weirauch,I just realized,you arn't old enough to have been on it, you were only three years old

Thank you Bobbe

I also understand that you were three for over twenty two years

I take it back!

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 5 Feb 2002 8:24 pm

B Bailey Brown, I spent an hour giving you facts about the second album session that Faron did himself so he could make money that the label wouldn't pay him, and you say, I am not giving you any useful information in this post? I guess this should be a lesson learned by me.Who says the facts speak for themselves. Everything I posted is true except the kidding with my buddy Mike.

Bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 05 February 2002 at 08:26 PM.]

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 5 Feb 2002 8:35 pm

Ron · Post by **Ron** » 5 Feb 2002 10:28 pm

Is the Red Hayes on fiddle the fiddling Red that was in Apachie and the Arazona Indans band in 1936? I have the picture of the band.

I just called Norman to ask about him playing on Four in the Morning but he is on the road with Merle so never got to talk with him but did talk to his wife and she didnt know as that was before her time. She said she was to have a operation the 12 th so lets send her and Norm our prayers.

Ron
Ron

John Macy · Post by **John Macy** » 11 Feb 2002 10:56 am

B. Bailey--

Thanks for mentioning Hank Singer. I really love his playing (as well as his being one of the finer humans on the planet) and just spoke with him yesterday. He's a dandy.

Do you know he still plays the fiddle that Red Hayes gave him when he was 12? His youngest son is also named Hayes in Red's honour.

Did I mention Hank plays great?

B Bailey Brown · Post by **B Bailey Brown** » 11 Feb 2002 2:44 pm

John,

Golly, why would I NOT mention Hank! He is probably as fine a musician as I have ever had the pleasure to sit on a stage with. In fact, judging myself, I have no idea why Hank ever got on a stage with me. I have certainly never been in his caliber of player. Hank Singer is just one of the best human beings I have ever run across!

This guy is never “judgmental”, never looks down his nose at a lesser player, and always has a good word for everyone on the bandstand. He actually enjoys playing with anybody. Hank is just one of those people that will sit there on a stage with you, blow you away with what he does, AND mention the one or two “neat” things you might have played! Oh yea, then he will apologize for something he played “wrong”! Keep in mind, Hank’s “mistakes” are usually things other fiddle players STUDY.

He is a very humble and unassuming person that really doesn’t think he is very good. (Cough, Choke!!) I am not the least surprised that he still plays the fiddle that Red gave him. He probably still plays the 5 string fiddle that Ron Knuth built for him years ago as well. There is really not much one can say about Hank, other than IF you really want to see a fiddle player, THIS is a guy that is a MASTER of the instrument.

What ever you do, don’t tell him how good he really is! He will just “blush’ and be embarrassed! Hank is Hank…what can say??!!

B. Bailey Brown

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 11 Feb 2002 6:57 pm

B. Bailey, great post on Hank Singer.
I'm not sure when, but Hank also worked with George Jones.
In the 1990s he worked with acts as diverse as Gary Allan and Ween!

I'm interested in the various sidemen for Jones and Faron, so this stuff is fantastic.

Bob Carlson · Post by **Bob Carlson** » 11 Feb 2002 7:43 pm

You don't ask Red Hayes and Hank Singer who the've played for, session or road, you ask who ain't ya played for. That way the answer won't take very long.

Bob.

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 12 Feb 2002 5:51 am

Jason-Hank Singer worked with George Jones from 1986-89,when he left to work with Ronnie Milsap...Hank and I were both working with Ray Price when the Jones gig came along.