First Lloyd Green model ever!

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 9 Feb 2002 1:13 pm

I have just recieved word from Lloyd that a post I have made earlier was incorrect, in his words. So, I wish to clarify the statments I made. I refered to the first guitar that Lloyd played as a single 10 with a pad as the first LDG model. Actually this is the prototype and not an actual LDG model. Even though Lloyd "invented it" and prototyped it,played it on many records, it was never ever called a LDG model. The next guitar(the one he has now) was the first guitar named the "LDG" model. The Baldwin guitar,That he had first, also green, also a S-10 on a double body with a pad, was not called a "LDG". Therefore, it wasn't one, confusing? OK. Lloyd still has the FIRST "LDG", looks , sounds,plays, wonderfully, as does Lloyd himself.

B obbe

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 9 Feb 2002 1:18 pm

The first one(prototype) is being found and will be in my collection soon,I hope as this is also a very significant guitar. It is in extremly bad condition and will need total referbishment. I will get the original Sho-Bud employees to do this job to keep things as original as possible. I will also confer with Lloyd on this entire project.
Bobbe

Marty Holmes · Post by **Marty Holmes** » 9 Feb 2002 2:07 pm

Bobbe you got too many guitar's!!!!!You art ta restore it and sell it ta me fur $.99,and then when i get ready to sell it,I'll sell it to ya fur $10,000.00 sound like a deal.
MartyIcanpickumupandplayemHolmes

Tony Rankin · Post by **Tony Rankin** » 9 Feb 2002 4:45 pm

Bobbe,

Is the prototype a D-10 that was converted to an S-10 with a pad in place of the back neck? I have always heard that it was originally a D-10.

This is a pretty interesting bit of history, especially to me since my guitars are S-10's with pads. I am also a big Sho~Bud fan, as you already know.

Tony

Bob Carlson · Post by **Bob Carlson** » 9 Feb 2002 6:14 pm

Bobbe, I think the one you're looking for has the RKL on the right. I'm quite sure I heard him say In an Interview, that was the only place left when lowering the E's with a knee came about. I don't think there was a RKL as we know It today was around yet, but I'd guess you would remember that.
And I would say It was a Lloyd Green Model even If they wern't officially called that.

Bob.[This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 09 February 2002 at 06:18 PM.][This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 11 February 2002 at 07:43 AM.]

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 9 Feb 2002 9:21 pm

Tony and Bob, You are both totally correct in my opinion, Marty, you are totally wrong,but in a fun way, no, I don't have enough guitars! Marty, I'd have to have at least twice what you are offering!!!
Remember,The first guitar was a converted guitar , and the rest were built from the beginning as S-10's. Lloyd, is this what you wanted to get across?

Bobbe

Lem Smith · Post by **Lem Smith** » 9 Feb 2002 9:29 pm

I see where Bobbe says this guitar is in bad shape and need of major repair.

This kind of thing sort of puzzles me...You'd think that such MAJOR pieces of music history like Lloyd's ex-guitar and Buddy's "blade" would have been very carefully preserved by the people who got them from Lloyd and Buddy originally.

I can barely imagine even risking playing either one of those guitars, with their incredible history, let alone letting them get in such a sad state of dis-repair.

Lem[This message was edited by Lem Smith on 09 February 2002 at 09:30 PM.]

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 9 Feb 2002 10:08 pm

I totally agree, but sometimes it takes a passing of time before it is realized what is valuable and what isn't.
rObert

Jeff Evans · Post by **Jeff Evans** » 10 Feb 2002 1:10 pm

...sometimes it takes a passing of time before it is realized what is valuable and what isn't.

Even a blind sow finds an acorn every now and then.

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You can call a hog a duck but it still needs to stay out of the pond. --A. Alford

If you can't (or won't) make a distinction, don't get miffed when someone else does.
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Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 10 Feb 2002 1:23 pm

I recently saw one of the first LDG's ( I won't say where to protect the guilty ) and it was in horrible , worse than horrible condition. Iy would have to improve to become pitiful. But who is to say how it got there and why. Bobbe is correct in that who could have known many years ago that it would be of value. I'm going to imagine the owner of the LDG that I saw aquired it in that condition and has decided not to restore it but sell it instead.

I think it's great that many players are now aquiring and restoring the early Steels. Those old steels deserve it, they made their mark in history.
TP

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 10 Feb 2002 2:37 pm

Chris, as I remember Norm said he sold his Bigsby to a guy in Fresno Ca, named Rudy Farmer. He was going to make three single non-pedal guitars out of it. (what a waste)

A quote from Larry Petree from the Norm Hamlet thread.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 11 Feb 2002 8:43 am

Moved from 'Steel Players' to 'Pedal Steel'

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