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Ray Montee (RIP) · Post by **Ray Montee (RIP)** » 4 Jan 2002 2:31 pm

It's the 1950's; Ray Price's band; BIG Red and Little Red Hayes are on twin fiddles with a considerably taller young man with dark hair and heavy, dark rimmed eye glasses.
The young man playing steel was fairly tall, thin, cowboy hat, and stood up while playing a dark colored Fender Triple Neck steel with NO PEDALS!
WHO WAS THIS STEEL GUITAR PICKER?
Was it Buddy Emmons or WHOM?

Mike Sweeney · Post by **Mike Sweeney** » 4 Jan 2002 2:49 pm

I do believe it was Jack Evans.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 4 Jan 2002 2:54 pm

Joe Mack Vincent!!!!!! Later with Farron.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 4 Jan 2002 3:27 pm

Jimmy Biggars?

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Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 4 Jan 2002 4:33 pm

Don Helms???

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Jody Sanders · Post by **Jody Sanders** » 4 Jan 2002 7:36 pm

Herb, you are probably right on this one. Biggars was working with Danny Brown and Garrett was working with Gene Wortham in the same "Skull Orchards" in Gladewater, Longview, and Kilgore with myself in the early 50's. Jim Reeves stole Garrett and Ray Price stole Biggars. See you in Dallas. Jody.

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 5 Jan 2002 7:27 am

I would have said Jack Evans or Jimmy Biggars, but pretty much everyone beat me to it.

Bobbe, who's Joe Mack Vincent?

Richard Bass · Post by **Richard Bass** » 5 Jan 2002 2:38 pm

Bobby, you've got to learn to spell!!! It's FARON.

Richard

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 5 Jan 2002 8:57 pm

Joe Mack Vincent: Excellent steel player that played with "Faron" for ALL the first years of "Faron's" career. Steel on songs like "If You Ain't livin, You Ain't Lovin'"
He really brought the "BOO WAH" thing to the forefront. Played a standup triple neck Fender for years until "Faron" bought a triple neck Bigsby for him to use.Which he used very well on "I Miss You Already, and Your Not Even Gone" (Sweet Dreams" was Buddie Emmons). I still see Joe very often and we still laugh about "Faron's" silly antics.
Lloyd Green replaced Joe Mack Vincent with "Faron" ('59?) and will conferm my opinion of his great playing.Expect him in the "Hall of Fame" very soon!!!!!

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Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 6 Jan 2002 7:41 am

Cool Bobbe, when did Big Ben Keith join Faron then, someone suggested to me it was in 1958, but I thought it would have been around 1963.

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 6 Jan 2002 10:31 pm

Ben Keith joined faron in-58, BF-box set has a great photo of Faron's band back then; Ben Keith, Darrell McCall, Roger Miller and Odell Martin. The same band backed up Faron on his Carnegie Hall show. Ben Keith played the first double neck Sho Bud.
Back to the original topic, I just bought Shanachie released video tape of collection of Ray Price/Jim Reeves/ET on Gannaway shows. Jimmy Biggar is featured on couple of the songs ( steel solos shot close-up ), as well as Jimmy Day and Jack Evins. Interesting thing on those films is one of the guitars Jimmy Day is playing; the year is -57, it's a D8 with five ( poss. six ) pedals, reddish brown wood, not maple, no metal enplates, except for a one plate on the right end where the controls are mounted, no inlays. Looks like a very early Sho Bud, but it's not his "Blue Darlin", which is considered as his first. Possibly a prototype???

gene brown · Post by **gene brown** » 8 Jan 2002 4:12 pm

The other fiddle player is Jimmy Belkins.

Andrew Brown · Post by **Andrew Brown** » 15 Jan 2002 7:40 pm

It definitely was Jimmy BIGGAR...from Lufkin, Texas...often misspelled "Biggers"...
he just died last year.

Ray Montee (RIP) · Post by **Ray Montee (RIP)** » 29 Jan 2002 12:05 pm

Digging thro' some old "kid stuff" autograph books last night, I discovered long lost and forgotten autographs of "RED HAYES" and "LITTLE RED HAYES" that toured this area with Hank Thompson and the Brazo's Valley Boys. They again returned to this area with Ray Price and Leon Rhodes and a mystery steel player signed as "Jimmy DANNY"?
Also came up with Grady Martin, Merle Travis, Red Foley, Jimmy Wakely, Spade Cooley, Noel Boggs, Bob Meadows, Wade Ray,
Cowboy Copas and countless others.
It's a happy day at my house!

Tele · Post by **Tele** » 29 Jan 2002 12:28 pm

must be from that tour with Hank Thompson. BTW, Lefty Nason on steel

Andy

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wayne yakes md · Post by **wayne yakes md** » 29 Jan 2002 3:59 pm

Lefty Nason, and Bobby Garrett said it BEST when he introduced him prior to his induction into the Texas Steel Hall of Fame, "invented" ALL the Hank Thompson signature licks that Curly Chalker, PeeWee Whitewing, Bobby White, Bobby Garrett, Bert Rivera, Jim "Big Murph" Murphy, and all Brazos Valley Boys steel players had to play to get that "Hank Thompson Sound"!!! Lefty is from Massachusetts and played twin steels with a 16 year old steel "whiz kid" on radio shows and taught him the finer things about "western swing steel" C6th playing then. That kid was Buzz Evans, from Adams,MA. John Macy is another great steel player from Mass., and finally left and came to Colorado playing with Michael Martin Murphy! A proud steel tradition from Mass.!!

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 29 Jan 2002 6:35 pm

Ray, does that mean that the Hayes Brothers,
Leon Rhodes and Jimmy (DANNY), were all with the Ray Price band at the time?

Ray Montee (RIP) · Post by **Ray Montee (RIP)** » 29 Jan 2002 9:57 pm

YES, Jason. That was the group that was here back in the mid-to-late 1960's. The night I missed my BIG CHANCE to join the Ray Price contingent and head out to Nashville.
Moan, Groan, whine, snivel, boo hoo.....