I already want another changer.
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Tim Fortin
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I already want another changer.
So I’m only a few months in to playing the pedal steel. I’ve been doing a private lesson (with more booked) and some of the play pedal steel books and YouTube videos.
I was really intimidated for like 3 months with this thing, then just this week I think I had a comfort level breakthrough. Now I am starting to see why the Emmons setup is how it is. But I already am finding I want another lever or pedal!
So for the veteran players, I have a 3x4 Zum Stage One. It’s a fine instrument to learn on, but I wish it had a lever to drop the nine string a half step. How do you workaround that lack of a lever? Bar slants?
I was really intimidated for like 3 months with this thing, then just this week I think I had a comfort level breakthrough. Now I am starting to see why the Emmons setup is how it is. But I already am finding I want another lever or pedal!
So for the veteran players, I have a 3x4 Zum Stage One. It’s a fine instrument to learn on, but I wish it had a lever to drop the nine string a half step. How do you workaround that lack of a lever? Bar slants?
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Ron Pruter
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Re: I already want another changer.
You may already know this. It is customary to have that change on the r/k/r lever. The lever usually drops the 2nd string 1/2 then hits a feel stop. You then push the lever further to the right to get the 9th string to go down 1/2. while the 2nd string continues down another 1/2 step. I think Stage Ones have that? Let other S/O owners chime in. Of course at that final stage, the 2 and the 9 are enemies to your ear
Ron
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Tim Fortin
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Re: I already want another changer.
I just checked and mine does not seem to have a second stop. I’ll have to flip it over in the light of day and see what I can see. I did have an issue with the knee levers being too close together and was advised by Doug to bent the lever itself. Maybe where I bent it is preventing that.Ron Pruter wrote: 20 Apr 2025 4:18 pm You may already know this. It is customary to have that change on the r/k/r lever. The lever usually drops the 2nd string 1/2 then hits a feel stop. You then push the lever further to the right to get the 9th string to go down 1/2. while the 2nd string continues down another 1/2 step. I think Stage Ones have that? Let other S/O owners chime in. Of course at that final stage, the 2 and the 9 are enemies to your earRon
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John Talbott
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Re: I already want another changer.
Hi Tim,
You may want to look at the Stage One Owner's manual.
It's available here: https://www.stageonesteelguitars.com/_f ... 61e25f.pdf
Hope this helps.
Keep on pickin'
John
You may want to look at the Stage One Owner's manual.
It's available here: https://www.stageonesteelguitars.com/_f ... 61e25f.pdf
Hope this helps.
Keep on pickin'
John
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Tim Fortin
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Re: I already want another changer.
Yes, I have the manual. Like it shows, that’s not a lever function I have. I did email Doug to see if I can add that.John Talbott wrote: 20 Apr 2025 9:11 pm Hi Tim,
You may want to look at the Stage One Owner's manual.
It's available here: https://www.stageonesteelguitars.com/_f ... 61e25f.pdf
Hope this helps.
Keep on pickin'
John
I was more lamenting the lack of that function, and also wondering if anyone has a play-around so to speak. I suppose a slant down to that half lower is the best I can do short of adding lever function.
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Ron Pruter
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Re: I already want another changer.
Tim Fortin wrote: 20 Apr 2025 5:56 pmI just checked and mine does not seem to have a second stop. I’ll have to flip it over in the light of day and see what I can see. I did have an issue with the knee levers being too close together and was advised by Doug to bent the lever itself. Maybe where I bent it is preventing that.Ron Pruter wrote: 20 Apr 2025 4:18 pm You may already know this. It is customary to have that change on the r/k/r lever. The lever usually drops the 2nd string 1/2 then hits a feel stop. You then push the lever further to the right to get the 9th string to go down 1/2. while the 2nd string continues down another 1/2 step. I think Stage Ones have that? Let other S/O owners chime in. Of course at that final stage, the 2 and the 9 are both C#s. Ron
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J D Sauser
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Re: I already want another changer.
I was like that too when I started out. I had barely laid out the most common grips and already I was found laying under my Pro-II wondering what I could do to it. Now, I am a precision machine engineer... but nevertheless, my advice when it comes to E9th (assuming you are on E9th) is, to think "Lloyd Green". I am not saying you need to play as well as him before thinking about adding changes... but give it a year or two and milk the living daylights out what you have. In other words, give yourself 1 or 2 years.Tim Fortin wrote: 20 Apr 2025 3:23 pm So I’m only a few months in to playing the pedal steel. I’ve been doing a private lesson (with more booked) and some of the play pedal steel books and YouTube videos.
I was really intimidated for like 3 months with this thing, then just this week I think I had a comfort level breakthrough. Now I am starting to see why the Emmons setup is how it is. But I already am finding I want another lever or pedal!
So for the veteran players, I have a 3x4 Zum Stage One. It’s a fine instrument to learn on, but I wish it had a lever to drop the nine string a half step. How do you workaround that lack of a lever? Bar slants?
But I do understand the urge... J-D.
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A Little Mental Health Warning:
Tablature KILLS SKILLS.
The uses of Tablature is addictive and has been linked to reduced musical fertility.
Those who produce Tablature did never use it.
I say it humorously, but I mean it.