Pedalsteeltuning.com ?

David Yannuzzi · Post by **David Yannuzzi** » 1 Jun 2012 9:51 am

Hello all,

I see that the domain for Pedalsteeltuning .com is expired I was wondering if someone knew who's web page it was and had there email?

or if someone can email the setting for using peterson tuning open at the nut

I just had my strobo flip repaired and lost my saved presets and can't find where i wrote them down

I feel this sit really helped me finally feel in tune

Thanks for any info or help

David

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 1 Jun 2012 10:32 am

I dislike, strongly, the Newman chart with its "tune this note, then recalibrate your tuner for the next note: lather, rinse, repeat" approach.
Fortunately, I found THIS chart, from Big E Enterprises.
http://www.buddyemmons.com/TTChart.htm
Glad to help

EDIT: If, like many, you want your roots sharp, either mentally add 8 to every value or move reference to 442.

James Maxwell · Post by **James Maxwell** » 1 Jun 2012 1:25 pm

PM sent

Daniel Morris · Post by **Daniel Morris** » 1 Jun 2012 1:52 pm

I have a Peterson tuner, with the "sweetened" setting.
Lane, are you saying that's no good? I must admit, I have always tuned by ear (just gimme yer high E string and I'll take it from there), and only bought a strobe tuner because clubs/bars just won't turn off the music long enough for me to do that.
Do you feel a more standard tempered tuning is acceptable, or can the Emmons chart be programmed into a Peterson (I think it can)? Even after a tuner tune up, I always re-check by ear.
Just curious, as tuning pedal steel seems to be the eternal quest.

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 1 Jun 2012 2:11 pm

What I was saying is many prefer to slightly sharp the roots, so that some of the notes are above and some below a 440 standard.
To accomplish this on the Emmons chart, adjust your reference to 442 or add 8 cents to every value (Es, +8; C#, -11; G#, -3 and so on)
Personally, for the last 15 years I tune everything straight, but flatten thirds 4 cents.
I have decided to try the Emmons chart again, and I programmed my Cleartune with both E9th and C6th tunings from the Emmons site. I'll get around to writing a Bb6 Universal chart soon.

PS: For those with smartphones, $4 for Cleartune and $17.00 for the Peterson adapter is the best $21 I've spent musically since a Jeffran course thing twenty years ago or more.

Tony Glassman · Post by **Tony Glassman** » 1 Jun 2012 2:38 pm

Lane, the Peterson tuners have 2 choices re E9th sweetened tunings:

A = 440
A = 442 (or something)

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 1 Jun 2012 2:46 pm

Right, y'all. Those are in the Peterson. But apparently David, the OP, doesn't have a preprogrammed Peterson, or he wouldn't have asked.
My Cleartune app doesn't have them, but it supports custom tunings.
Gstrings doesn't have them, doesn't support custom tunings, but the developer has said if I get him values, he'll include them on the next update.
The Peterson charts are probably similar to the Emmons.

Clete Ritta · Post by **Clete Ritta** » 1 Jun 2012 5:03 pm

Lane Gray wrote:...for the last 15 years I tune everything straight, but flatten thirds 4 cents...

That works for me too.

I often play with piano and accordion, but they're not quite in tune either.

Clete

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 2 Jun 2012 2:20 am

I use a slightly modified Newman tuning, based on the original tuning chart with the E's at "zero".

People always told me I was "out of tune" as I was tuning everything to zero with a Korg tuner (the old manual one). KC Guitar Player Billy Charles finally convinced me. I got a copy of the Newman chart and started using that and no one ever again told me I was out of tune.

I have my modified Newman tuning programmed into my Peterson Stobe O Flip. The factory programs, which are based on the Newman's don't work for me.

Chas. J. Wagner · Post by **Chas. J. Wagner** » 2 Jun 2012 4:53 am

Here are the tuning charts from the Jeffran site...
Jeffran College Tuning Charts

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 2 Jun 2012 6:31 am

Chas, the Newman chart, as published, is a PITA to enter into a modern tuner.
I'm still trying to figure out how it's a good idea to recalibrate the tuner to a different standard for every note.
The ORIGINAL chart, with offsets in cents, seemed much more user-friendly.
But I lost my copy, along with a push-pull D-10, to a burglar in '89.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 2 Jun 2012 6:59 am

The original Newman chart was in Hertz, not Cents. It was written to be used with the old Korg WT-10 manual tuner. I may still have that original chart around somewhere.

The original chart listed, for example the G#'s tuned to -3.5Hz, the B strings -.5Hz, etc.

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 2 Jun 2012 7:07 am

I guess either mine, which I got from a direct student of Jeff, must have been an adaptation.
Cents certainly seem easier to work with.
I keep having people tell me I'm thoughtful and helpful. they must overlook the points on which I become a curmudgeon

Chas. J. Wagner · Post by **Chas. J. Wagner** » 2 Jun 2012 7:29 am

Lane...
I can't endorse or denounce the use of the Jeffran tuning charts as I haven't used them. The posting of the charts was merely an FYI for the OP.

BTW, I found this Hertz to Cents conversion info on LarryBell.org should someone want to go through the brain damage...

Jeff Newman's chart is in HERTZ so, if your tuner only displays CENTS, you will need to make the following calculation:
(440Hz - chart setting) x (-4) = CENTS

--examples--
If the chart reads 437.5 Hertz, subtract that from 440 (the tuning standard) = 2.5 Hz. This difference is multiplied by -4, giving -10 CENTS (or 10 CENTS FLAT). 10 CENTS flat means it is tuned 1/10 of a fret's distance flat. If the Hertz scale went that far, one fret flat would be about A=415 and one fret sharp would be about A=465

If the chart reads 441 Hertz, subtract that from 440 to get -1
REMEMBER THAT (-1) x (-4) = 4 (not negative 4)
To tune a note to 441 on a tuner that reads CENTS, Tune the note 4 cents SHARP.

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 2 Jun 2012 7:47 am

I thought this was about the pedalsteeltuning.com web site, but now it's about tuning so I'm moving it back to the Pedal Steel section. Sorry for the confusion. I go to fast sometimes.

FWIW, I tune my 8 string D6th to meantone and nobody complains.

Ole Dantoft · Post by **Ole Dantoft** » 2 Jun 2012 7:54 am

Lane,

Is this what you're looking for?

http://www.oledantoft.dk/Newman-chart-web.jpg

Ole

Chas. J. Wagner · Post by **Chas. J. Wagner** » 2 Jun 2012 8:09 am

Getting back to pedalsteeltuning.com...here's a thread I found, posted by James Maxwell, where it appears the site was re-introduced. It's titled OK, let me try this one more time...

Looks like James has already responded via PM to the OP.

James Maxwell · Post by **James Maxwell** » 2 Jun 2012 9:19 am

I let the site expire because I thought no one used it. I can send David the data he needs. I might redo the site and include other stuff like mean tone tuning, etc.

Chas. J. Wagner · Post by **Chas. J. Wagner** » 2 Jun 2012 10:08 am

Thanks for the response, James. I'm sure the OP will appreciate it.
I never visited your site, but would be interested in doing so should you choose to revitalize it.

David Yannuzzi · Post by **David Yannuzzi** » 2 Jun 2012 11:36 am

Thanks to James and everyone that replied . I got the info i needed

You can close this thread up Bob .

Thanks

David

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 2 Jun 2012 12:43 pm

Yes, Ole. Quite helpful