Steel player w/ Brian Adams(!?) on Leno show 2-27-02 east co

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 4 Mar 2002 10:38 am

Not a problem, James.
Stop by the Sierra booth at the Dallas show.
Looking forward to meeting you.
Pete

Craig Stock · Post by **Craig Stock** » 4 Mar 2002 2:30 pm

Hey Chris, Maybe the Leno people told HIM to change the song HE wanted to play

. Who knows, no one has even posted what the song was.

BTW, I was listening to the Graham Parsons tribute CD Grievous Angel today, and Ryan's version of 'A Song for you" with Whiskeytown and Mike Daly is a highpoint of the disc for me. I think some of the guys out there ought to listen more to him, he's going places, of course that's my opinion

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Regards, Craig

Brian Wetzstein · Post by **Brian Wetzstein** » 4 Mar 2002 2:52 pm

This thread upsets me. I did not see the performance, but I am guessing the song was Ryan's latest release "Answering Bell"(track 3 on Gold). I am a new steel player. I became interested in the psg because of groups like Whiskeytown and Uncle Tupelo etc... Now that I am learning, I have bought albums by Charley Pride, Ray Price, Buck Owens, and tons of stuff I may have never been exposed to without bieng introduced to the steel guitar. Music is subjective just like "which guitar has the best tone". Play the stuff you like, and forget about the stuff you dont like. Who really cares about what type of music the steel is bieng played in? Aren't you happy there are still people like me who are interested in learning?
If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all. Or try turning down the volume on the tv and just look at the pretty guitar and imagine how it would sound if it were you on Leno.

Chris Walke · Post by **Chris Walke** » 4 Mar 2002 2:56 pm

Hey Craig, perhaps you are right! Or perhaps they were each playing a different song.

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Speaking of Return of the Grievous Angel, I like the Whiskeytown tune, but it's Emmylou and Sheryl Crow that crushes my heart. Such killer harmony. That's a great album, instrumentally and vocally. Oh, but I digress...

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 4 Mar 2002 3:04 pm

Brian,

Welcome to this forum. Please continue to learn music! Theresa

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 4 Mar 2002 3:17 pm

Herb, if I ever wanted someone to critique my playing, you would be at the top of the list! Thats not a$$ kissing, thats just a fact.

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 4 Mar 2002 5:16 pm

Wow, actually there has been some pretty amazing stuff written here on this topic, I generally took it on as a crusade as I though some of the original critique was at the mental level of a 14 year old. (it sucks, and the dude is ugly and crap type approach).

There has been some real thought provoking stuff added here, and I do quite often forget that I'm a 31 year old who grew up listening to The Beatles, Dolly Parton and the Sex Pistols, Abba and the Police.. among others.

Retcop also brings up an interesting point, you mention that you've been listening to jazz for 35 years, but never heard the term 'Acid Jazz'.. well I don't doubt the fact that you listen to jazz, but what is your cut-off point?
I assume you don't listen to any new jazz, or if it's a new release it's by an older artist who's still recording.
The term Acid Jazz, I dunno, I've been hearing it for years.
Mind you I'm just guessing here, you could be seeing new jazz outfits and performers quite often.

Some terms... Country, hillbilly, Country & western, folk, Western-Bop, Rockabilly, Old Timey, Bluegrass, Newgrass, Folk-country, country-rock, progressive country, No-depression, twang core, retro-country, country-punk and alterna country.
That's over eighty years of terms for various types of country related music, and as various people have pointed out, there's someone out there that thought Buck Owens was just electric junk in the 1960s and that Bill Monroe played too fast back in the late 1930s.

I suspect that I have a lot of music in my collection that would drive people nuts, heck there's stuff in there, that at times I can hardly believe I own it myself!

There's other things I personally (thus this is simply my personal opinion and taste) believe about music and music appreciation, and that is that it's simply not enough to be a technically proficient musician, talent and ability is often lost due to the artist relying soley on those skills.

I always recall a guitarist friend of mine (who's very talented), was sitting watching a 'video hits' style show in early 1992 and complained that he could have come up with the riff for Nirvana's hit 'Smells Like Teen Spirit," it was so simple... anyone could have done it, he added.
I turned and added, "Yeah, but you didn't did you."

Craig Stock · Post by **Craig Stock** » 4 Mar 2002 7:16 pm

I think most people always identify with and like most the music they listened to in there years under age 20. I find myself referencing everything to that time period. Even if I didn't listen to it then, I like stuff from that period. I appreciate and like music from many other time periods and styles too, and I have a wide range of tastes.
The majority of people though stick to what they grew up on and never go outside of that.

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Regards, Craig

Dave Horch · Post by **Dave Horch** » 4 Mar 2002 8:40 pm

Okay all you swingin’ dicks… Let this be the end of this…

First: I did not start this post to put down Bucky’s performance. Re-read the top post: I thought he did a great job! Some other folks might have gone somewhere else, but not me! In fact, I liked his work so much that I wanted to get the message out to folks on the west coast that a great viewing opportunity was coming their way in a few hours. That’s why I posted.

Second: I will apologize (again!) for not getting the artist’s name right. As I said, I was practicing my steel with the TV on in the background, volume turned down low. Leno said “Please welcome…” And I thought he said Brian Adams, not Ryan Adam (or whomever). I’ve never heard of Ryan Adam so my brain translated into a performer who I had heard of and I made an incorrect assumption.

Third: The artist’s (whomever he was) performance, presentation, etc., simply did not appeal to me (but the steel playing sure did!). My original comments still stand. If you are a big fan of this dude then great… Knock yourself out! I personally was not made a fan by the performance I saw. That’s an opinion folks! Your mileage may vary. Everyone has likes and dislikes… Yes, I am a rocker (among other tastes), if I have to admit. I’ve logged many miles in those shoes! If Jason thinks I have a 14 year old mentality then… hmmm… he might be right! Sorry if I put down one of your favorite dudes – it happens. Drink a Fosters and chill…

Fourth: Yes, Bruce nailed it.

Finally: The steel guitar is one of the most wonderfully expressive and challenging instruments ever devised by “musician”-kind. I am personally very very happy to have taken some time to have learned to wrestle the beast a little bit. Hmmm… Someone please put that on my headstone.

 Jason... dude... Abba? Wuzup with that?! (sorry, paybacks)

Best, -Dave

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Robert · Post by **Robert** » 5 Mar 2002 6:41 am

Jason:
"Acid Jazz" is a term I first heard in about 1989. A lot of what is being dubbed "Acid Jazz" are old recordings by the likes of Grant Green, Billy Butler, Larry Young, etc. I don't think the term was in use when many of these recordings were being made. There are too many monikers in use to describe music "types" today - meaningless, and over-lapping; they seem to be more about creating exclusive niches for musicians than they are about some accurate description of what's "in the grooves". Of course, like everything else I ever have posted or will post in the future - that is strictly my opinion.

Rob Yale[This message was edited by Robert on 05 March 2002 at 06:45 AM.]

Chris Walke · Post by **Chris Walke** » 5 Mar 2002 7:20 am

Dave--I agree, your original post was harmless. You got the name and genre wrong, but did not criticize anyone. It was the barrage of posts after yours that sparked the debate. I think.

There's been no real harm done here. We're all just expressing ourselves and disagreeing with each other. We all get a "what are you thinking??" attitude once in awhile.

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 5 Mar 2002 4:16 pm

Yeah Dave H., I think Chris Walke summed it up nicely, although if you were a rocker I dunno how you could call Brian Adams a heavy metal rocker? (adult contemporary rock maybe??)

Robert, there are some artists who are mixing older jazz styles with dance (that's electronic dance music) beats and some of them have been dubbed Acid Jazz, like dance club versions. Nothing really earth shattering, kind of the new wave of cool I suppose, but I prefer more dischord in such things.

Abba.... dude I'm from Australia you have no idea how tyhey messed with our heads, cripes they made a film here and wrote a really dumb song especially for the Australian market (Bang A Boomerang.. you're not missing much if you ain't heard that one!).

What can a say, I have a M.O.R leanings with Scott Walker, early Abba, early Carpenters.. I'm not a proud man, just honest.. I'm off to see Nick Cave in a couple of nights, it's like the most surreal-evil cabaret act in the world!