Lloydtone

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 4 Feb 2002 5:37 am

Answering some of the questions above.....

I have "Lloyd's of Nashville" and it was recorded October 22-24, 1979 with the L.D.G. and a Session 400.

Quoting Lloyd... "I have attempted to keep this album as country, clean, and non-pretentious as possible. Consequently I did very little double-tracking - that is, overdubbing an additional steel guitar part - and used no electronic gadgets or gimmicks such as fuzz, phaser or other devices. The few places where you hear two steels as on "Bars of Steel" are merely to embellish a new lick or "pure steel sound" innovation of mine. It is my firm conviction that the steel guitar has such natural sound when played well that no additional artifaces are necessary to enhance its tone except perhaps some reverb. This perception never rings more intuitively honest than when cutting country type songs."

The album cover, with Lloyd in top-hat and tails in front of the Rolls-Royce with the L.D.G. is one of the "coolest" in my collection. www.genejones.com

Jay Jessup · Post by **Jay Jessup** » 4 Feb 2002 6:25 am

way back in this thread someone mentioned that Lloyd used a wound G# and later, I think Ricky indicated that he thought his 73 Bud might have had a 24 1/2" scale. I used to use a wound 6'th on my old 24" scale pro-III back in the 70's as the plain G# sounded a little 'floppy' to my ears back then on that guitar. It's hard for me to imagine however that if you stretched the scale out to 24 1/2" that you could even get a wound G# to make it to A without breaking and it would have really long pedal travel if it could get there. Bobbe, you certainly would have noticed if that guitar had a longer than standard scale, wouldn't you?
On Tinnitus, that's a ringing in your ears that you never get over, If I remember right I think Lloyds was some kind of vetigo like inner ear imbalance that came and went at random times and affected his hearing when it was there. It's great to hear that whatever it was, he is over it and working on more contributions to the steel world.[This message was edited by Jay Jessup on 04 February 2002 at 06:29 AM.]

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 4 Feb 2002 10:15 am

I hope to be tabbing that one as soon as I find a spare 4 hours to learn it

Hey Ricky, I beat cha!! Check out Tablature.

Greg Simmons · Post by **Greg Simmons** » 4 Feb 2002 10:32 pm

In case anybody missed it the first time around, here's some pics of Lloyd Green performing in St. Louis at ISGC 2001, along with some information about his 1973 Sho-Bud LDG.

I don't know about you but I got my money's worth about 30 seconds into Lloyd's first set

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Greg Simmons
Custodian of the Official Sho~Bud Pedal Steel Guitar Website
shobud.cjb.net

[This message was edited by Greg Simmons on 04 February 2002 at 10:37 PM.]

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 5 Feb 2002 2:20 am

Hey Jay you bring up a great point..and I just had to know exactly what the deal is with that scale length and after you read what Lloyd told me...It was somewhat news to him after talking with Duane.
Ok here is the story on that issue of Lloyd's '73 LDG in his own words.

"Ricky,
I just talked to Duane Marrs about the scale on my LDG. It is a 24 1/2" scale and only between
6 and 12 were ever made. This was an experiment that failed, according to Duane. To get around the string breakage problem on my guitar they simply installed a shorter key head. In fact, you can see on my
guitar, the imprint of the original longer key head! I found all of this fascinating since I knew only part of the story until talking to Duane. So the gentleman on the forum who doubted the scale length since string
breakage would be unacceptable now has a rational explanation for how all this was possible.
Whether or not this positively affects the tone of this guitar is still open to debate. I know it's the best
sounding Sho-Bud I've ever owned!
Regards,

Lloyd G.

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Ricky Davis

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[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 05 February 2002 at 02:21 AM.]

Jay Jessup · Post by **Jay Jessup** » 5 Feb 2002 6:55 am

Ricky, Greg, Lloyd and Duane,
Real Neat!!! And now we know the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey might say. This has been a great thread and I am sure has properly whetted everyones appetite for Lloyds next projet, played on this very guitar I assume.
Ricky, did Lloyd always keep this guitar or did it get away form him for a while when he had to retire?
Ok so who's going to tool up for short pegheads and 24 1/2" scale fret boards for old Sho-Buds? Or maybe the better question is what happened to the other six or so they made?

Jeff Evans · Post by **Jeff Evans** » 5 Feb 2002 11:37 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I was playing my new double-neck 10 string Sho-Bud steel, the one with a sunburst color...

This incidentally was the very finest of the fine Sho-Buds I played during my twenty five year recording career, and was the guitar I used on the "Live at Panther Hall" album with Charley Pride.

--Lloyd Green in the Cool Steel Man CD reissue (1993) liner notes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will the real finest Sho-Bud please stand up?[This message was edited by Jeff Evans on 05 February 2002 at 11:41 AM.]

Jeff Evans · Post by **Jeff Evans** » 6 Feb 2002 4:15 pm

The answer to "Which Sho-Bud is the real favorite?" is in and it is: "Yes."

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Subject: Finest Sho-Bud

Jeff, You are entirely correct. I made the very same comment about Two different guitars. Evidently I've been around Bobbe Seymour too long. Trying to rationalize this, perhaps it's akin to saying the same thing to two different girlfriends, which is of course speaking out of both sides of one's mouth. You can't have it both ways, can you?

At the time I wrote the 1993 comments I had not played my LDG Sho-Bud in.... about 6 years and got caught up in the moment of writing liner notes I guess. I'm now again playing my LDG (it was the very first one built, 1973), using it on a new instrumental project. With today's technology light years advanced from my 24 years of recording, which effectively ended in 1988, the LDG sounds like the most elegant of steels; deep tone, beautiful sustain and simply breathtaking response.

Realizing that the newer technology enhances an already good sound, the only way to be
truly honest about this would be to record with both steels on the same session, which is
impossible since I haven't owned the finger-tip (Charley Pride era steel) since 1970. And that steel holds so many wonderful memories for me....... I truly don't know.

I hate sounding shallow and indecisive so in retrospect may I simply say I loved those two guitars equally and could today live with either. Now, having tried to weasel out of an obvious contradiction I will tell you that my friend, Tommy White, whom I respect enormously, thinks my best steel was..........the Baldwin Sho-Bud, which preceded both of these!!!! It's in the beholder's eye (ear).

I'll try to be more consistent with my statements in the future. Thanks for pointing out my contradiction, but it was one of the heart.

If you wish to post this you have my permission.

Sincerely,
Lloyd Green<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tony Rankin · Post by **Tony Rankin** » 6 Feb 2002 5:09 pm

This thread is one of the most interesting threads I can recall. In addition to the theories on the Sho~Bud sound, there has also been some really fascinating insight into the history of some of Lloyd's Sho~Bud guitars. I have heard that Lloyd played four different Sho~Buds during his recording career and I am wondering if pictures exist of all four. I would love to see them and hear about all of them in some detail.

I am also excited to hear about Lloyd's new instumental project. I'll be looking forward to it.

I personally believe Lloyd Green and Sho~Bud guitars are like peanut butter and jelly. Most people find they are both very good by themselves. However, they are truly great when enjoyed together and they do go together so well!![This message was edited by Tony Rankin on 06 February 2002 at 05:13 PM.]

Bob Kagy · Post by **Bob Kagy** » 6 Feb 2002 6:00 pm

And look at the cable he's using in the ISCG 2001 pictures - Belden Blue!?!!

I haven't seen that in a long time.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 7 Feb 2002 3:58 pm

Ricky and everyone else, Lloyd's '73 Sho-Bud was NOT the first LDG he had. His first one was made from a Baldwin cross over by Shot Jackson himself, finished in a green laquar. He used this guitar on many sessions and it should not be forgotten as it's historical significance is tremendous. I have a line on this guitar and have made a very healthy offer for it. It's case is the only thing not original.
bObbex

Reggie Duncan · Post by **Reggie Duncan** » 7 Feb 2002 9:26 pm

This thread has been most interesting!