Lloydtone

Jeff Evans · Post by **Jeff Evans** » 1 Feb 2002 5:42 pm

Bill C--

What is "LliveLloyd?" Did you hear a live cut of this song?

Everyone--

Why are none of the contemporary Nashville-recorded steel tones even remotely in the Lloyd's of Nashville ballpark? Did I miss the vote on banishing mellow and pleasing and replacing it with razor-thin and super-bright?

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Jeff
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You can call a hog a duck but it still needs to stay out of the pond. --A. Alford

If you can't (or won't) make a distinction, don't get miffed when someone else does. --Donny Hinson

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 1 Feb 2002 9:36 pm

I heard Lloyd play the JCH and it doesn't sound anything like the Sho-Bud to me. His tone on that JCH told me a lot. There is a certain amount of tone in the hands but you've got to have the right guitar too. Some guitars have tone and others don't period. There's only so much you can do with an amp too. Some amps sound better than others. If you can tell the difference you've got half of it licked.

Bill Cutright · Post by **Bill Cutright** » 2 Feb 2002 7:29 am

Jeff E.
Yea. I had never heard it before. (I was hoping someone would shed some light on the source, too-I'm figuring it's a convention cut, and I'd love to get my hands on it.
He introduces the song. SGR had played another cut a week or two ago and I got on here and asked a question about it and someone said there was a convention compilation album.) What I realize, is, Lloyd was, pretty much, a minimalist when it came to recording "effects", but, on the other hand was always searching for innovative techniques. If you hear this cut, you'll have to agree that there's something slightly different, and "in your face" about the steel tone. Could have been the way it was recorded, miked, effect added at the board, who knows...

Rob van Duuren · Post by **Rob van Duuren** » 2 Feb 2002 8:15 am

I listened to Bars of steel, my impression is he didn't use any special effects, perhaps a little -spring- reverb. The bridge however, was doubled. A little trick a lot of players( and singers) use on recordings. Sounds beautiful, doesn't it? Beats chorusses/harmonizers etc. and so simple.rob.

Dennis Detweiler · Post by **Dennis Detweiler** » 2 Feb 2002 5:24 pm

I was told by ???? that Lloyd had a Bill Lawrence pickup put on his recently reaquired 73 LDG?
I'm looking forward to a new cd by Lloyd. I thought he was excellent in tone and technique in the 70s. Somehow he has reached another level at the convention this year. I didn't realize there was another level?

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 3 Feb 2002 1:10 am

Hey Dennis that is correct..Lloyd does have a 710 in there now.
And believe me; you ain't heard nothin' yet.
Wait till you hear a new project coming out by .........oops better not spill the news just yet......sorry...LG....but lets just say......."You really haven't heard nothin' yet".....YOU WILL FREAK!!!
Ricky

Henning Kock · Post by **Henning Kock** » 3 Feb 2002 3:01 am

February 3, 2002.
I am glad there is a long due interest in Lloyd Greens music again. I have many favorite pedal steel guitar players, but if I had to name only one it would be Lloyd.
Maybe some of you remember what I wrote some time ago: ISNT IT ABOUT TIME FOR AN APPRECIATION WEBSITE FOR LLOYD? Who will do it? Why wait?
See also my web page on geocities.com/nashville/1520
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About Lloyds playing:
He just plays better and better
as the years comes and goes. He still does not lower the E 4th string, and he still has a .022 wound string for his G sharp 6th string. Lloyd really works for long periods of time in his music room at home on
composing steel guitar music, experimenting with melody phrases, what string
combinations, what pedals or bar slants, what slides, and whether a lick is best
played on a plain or a wound string. Also, if a knee lever movement or a forward
or reverse bar slant will give the most unified, seamless playing. Mostly all licks
can be played at 4 or 5 different positions on the pedal steel guitar, but licks
should be wound together to melody lines - not just licks, he emphasizes. When he composes he go through many different ways to play a melody line so it is clean and still is saying what he want it to say - and transmit his feelings to the listener.
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Hi Ricky Davis,
I would have liked to meet you if you had played in Denmark (close to Sweden, Norway Germany). I enjoyed your videos on www.mightyfinemusic.com
Yes I know a little about what we can excpect from Lloyd this fall. Glad he is in good health again and soon will be allowed to play pedal steel full time, so many more steel players can be exposed to his music.
All the best
Henning
Henning Kock
(pedal steel guitar, piano, keyboards)
Henning K. Music
111 Aarhusvej
DK-8300 Odder
Denmark,
Europe
phone 8654 2959
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e-mail address: henningkmusic@hotmail.com
webpages:
pedal steel guitar: www.geocities.com/Nashville/1520 www.pedalsteelguitardanmark.subnet.dk
piano & keyboard: www.musikshow.dk/default.asp?sidevalg=medlemmer&medlemvalg=13 www.danskmusik.com/dmfbook/selskab/html/henning_kock.html
and for musical instrument products wholesale (to dealers): www.henningkmusic.subnet.dk

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Mike Sweeney · Post by **Mike Sweeney** » 3 Feb 2002 5:40 am

Henning, I never lost interest.
As far as the one question awhile back about brittle tone some of us don't use a piercing tone. I still try to get a warm pleasing tone that cuts through but not take your head off.
of course I'm no Lloyd Green but nobody else but Lloyd is either.
When Lloyd wrote the liner notes to my Pure And Simple Country c.d. I was very touched and honored that he said I had a good tone.
That's great to hear from anyone but when it comes from a man who wrote the book on comercial e-9 tone and is one of your heroes it makes you almost bust your buttons.
Mike
p.s. Ricky, don't let it slip I've heard it too and I almost burnt my guitar over it.

John Lacey · Post by **John Lacey** » 3 Feb 2002 6:15 am

So is Lloyd over his tinnitus?

Greg Simmons · Post by **Greg Simmons** » 3 Feb 2002 8:55 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Maybe some of you remember what I wrote some time ago: ISNT IT ABOUT TIME FOR AN APPRECIATION WEBSITE FOR LLOYD? Who will do it? Why wait?
See also my web page on geocities.com/nashville/1520<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There looks like the start of something at http://www.lloydgreen.com.

It appears the domain name is registered by somebody in Germany.

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Greg Simmons
Custodian of the Official Sho~Bud Pedal Steel Guitar Website
shobud.cjb.net

[This message was edited by Greg Simmons on 03 February 2002 at 08:57 AM.]

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 3 Feb 2002 9:17 am

There's a great interview with Llyod on that site by Gib Sun. Among other things, Lloyd confirms that he indeed, did record D-I-V-O-R-C-E and Easy Loving!

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 3 Feb 2002 9:49 am

And in that same interview, the man himself, Mr. Lloyd Green, tells some interesting things about tone - what this topic is all about.

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 3 Feb 2002 9:56 am

Lloyd Green plays better and sounds better TODAY than he ever has. The fine wine analogy certainly has followed and stayed with him.

......Ricky and Mike, you should both hear the final mix! There are no words to describe what he has done! His talent and ability to create just gets better each day. All I can say is the music world is going to be rocked!

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 3 Feb 2002 11:25 am

http://www.chartrecords.net/artists.htm This is a new page going up on the Chart Records website.....it is the artist page and a on-going section of Lloyd Green(his name on left along with others). Lloyd is finishing up an article for this site that will shed some light on that period of time; unlike we've known.
Look for it to be updated and I hope I didn't jump the gun on this one LG...but folks just have to know......ah.....ha.
It is still under construction but there is alread pleanty of info on his albums Lloyd cut and there will be much much more, so check back....
Man I love this thread more than life itself....The love and admiration for Lloyd Green is overwhelming and warms my heart to hear and see all the talk of this great Man. Thanks for posting that Article Greg...eventhough Lloyd may not particularly like the lack of info in it; it's still a means of keeping the man in the light. Henning; I wish we could of made it to Denmark this last time, as I'd like to meet you one day too my friend..."you really know your Lloyd"...
Hey Mike and Mike

I can't wait to hear the final...especially the one from the Little Darlin' series....and you know the one I'm talkin' about

Oh and John; Lloyd is quite over his ear trouble....wasn't tenitus(sp?)..twas something else....but absolutly no problem there......
Also; Lloyd really digs the Rebel and Ricky site and visits it alot as he loves the dedication and Preservation that Graham Reid(Rebel)has for the archiving classic steel guitar intros and solos through all the years. Lloyd sent Graham and very nice letter of thanking him for that and included his one and a half minute outro to the Ricky Skaggs song "Nothing can Hurt You"...which is on the 1982 page.......I hope to be tabbing that one as soon as I find a spare 4 hours to learn it...

Ricky [This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 04 February 2002 at 12:52 AM.]

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 3 Feb 2002 12:29 pm

I'll say it again. Sho-Bud + Lawrence 710. You won't get it from a JCH, although they are good guitars. Ricky, Bobbe, and Frank Parish are correct.[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 03 February 2002 at 12:30 PM.]

Mike Sweeney · Post by **Mike Sweeney** » 3 Feb 2002 12:52 pm

Mike, I'm sure I will.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 3 Feb 2002 5:34 pm

Intresting, I took the picture,I restored and found the guitar, Pictured in my store, intresting, kinda' makes me happy, who in germany do we acknowledge the thanks to? Shows you how well Lloyd is holding up! He really looks as good as when I met him in 1939. He was 47 at the time with big dreams of being a star player, working with his idol, Faron Young. Yes sir! He did too! Put old Faron where he is today!
Thanks Lloyd, You owe me lunch!
Bobbe

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 3 Feb 2002 5:44 pm

Bobbe which came first, restore or found? That statement, coming from the "Happy Steel Guitarist", almost speaks volumes but I believe it is turned down too low to hear!

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 3 Feb 2002 7:58 pm

I don't believe that Mr. Lloydtone is very impressed with the website that is presently up in his name. I don't believe it had his permission to go up in the beginning and certainly has had no input from himself personally as he feels that interview is not as informative as it could have been. He wishes it would disappear and if one re-appeared in its place, it should have his permission and his input to go along with it.

......personally, I think the hooded parka looks quite charming but it would have had a much more impact if it had a rather large "Smiley" face on the front!

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 3 Feb 2002 7:59 pm

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Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 3 Feb 2002 8:02 pm

Damn computer![This message was edited by Mike Weirauch on 03 February 2002 at 10:49 PM.]

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 3 Feb 2002 8:22 pm

When Lloyd wrote the liner notes to my c.d...he said I had a good tone

Oh, yeah? Well Seymour said my tone was "acceptable"! So there!

Bill Cutright · Post by **Bill Cutright** » 3 Feb 2002 9:24 pm

wow. learned a bunch here, guys.
Thanks. I'm indebted.
Undoubtedly, my favorite site.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 3 Feb 2002 9:45 pm

Mike,
You ok? Theresa

Jeff Evans · Post by **Jeff Evans** » 4 Feb 2002 2:05 am

So...Lloyd is a Mississippian. No wonder he has so much soul.
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Jeff
Without tone, it's all irrelevant. --Lloyd L. Green