Steel player w/ Brian Adams(!?) on Leno show 2-27-02 east co

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 1 Mar 2002 12:18 pm

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Man, I'm really sick of some of the geezers knocking the alt-country crowd, you guys go get right up my nose.
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Like.. get over it.

Honestly I am totally sick to death of the whole "alt-country" guys are either too green or too slack to do it any justice" schtick.
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I agree with you, Jason. Thanks you for condemning these mean-spirited attacks on what is, after all, just a matter of taste. There is a lot of viciousness in this thread. I haven't seen so much ill will since somebody attacked Mutt Lange a few months ago.

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 1 Mar 2002 1:25 pm

Mutt Lange doesn't know country from a hole in the ground.

Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 1 Mar 2002 1:48 pm

I think a "complain-about-what-I-don't-think-is-music-forum" would get a lot of members. I'm so glad this forum is about and for steelguitar-lovers!

JJ

Chris Walke · Post by **Chris Walke** » 1 Mar 2002 2:06 pm

By the way some people post, it seems there is no room for less-than-astounding playing in the steel guitar community. As if it wasn't hard enough to start up on this instrument, new players who find this forum are gonna be left with the impression that if they do not become extraordinary players, their time is not well-spent, or their successes are undeserved.

Some players' best performances will never be as good as some players' worst performances. That goes for any instrument. I'd say "good for you" to any steel player who busts his ass and gets on the Leno show. At least he got there. Meanwhile, I'm toiling away in my practice room trying to keep my playing in tune. I have little criticism for those that get their butts in gear and get on stage with an instrument that is harder to play than most, frequently not even recognized for what it is, and basically misunderstood.

Not everyone can be a Morrell, or an Emmons, or a Leisz, or Franklin. And no player or type of music is the "future of steel guitar." (I'm just quoting retcop88 because that phrase stuck out) There's no way of knowing where this instrument will go. Why let one performance on the Leno show get you all bitter? With a such range of musical styles and so many different players, shouldn't we just be fascinated by where this instrument goes, even if we don't necessarily like the particular artist in question? Think of the range of music that standard lead guitar covers? All different styles, all different levels of ability. Should we criticize all the 6-stringers that don't play up to the Chet Atkins level? [This message was edited by Chris Walke on 01 March 2002 at 02:11 PM.]

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 1 Mar 2002 2:20 pm

I don't think its bitterness. I've got to go with recop on this. If Bucky Baxter chooses to put himself in the situation he did on Leno, than he better be able to take the critism of other steelers. Ryan Adams was a turnoff from the time his yellow teeth hit the camera. The guy needs a couple of thousand dollars worth of dental work. I don't know how much any one could have done on steel given that particular music, the arrangement(?), and musicians. From a steel guitar perspective, it was just plain bad.
Both Mike Daley and Milo Deering play in alt country bands and sound fabulous. I think the difference could be that alt country lends itself better to steel than alt rock. [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 01 March 2002 at 02:26 PM.]

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 1 Mar 2002 2:40 pm

Sounds like a great gig to me. I would rather be the guy playing than the guy complaining.

Bob

BTW: Right now I am at Butch Vig's studio in Madison. I just finished tracking a few tunes. It is big fun to play new forms of music on the steel.[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 01 March 2002 at 02:45 PM.]

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 1 Mar 2002 2:44 pm

But I certainly wouldn't work for a singer with bad teeth.

Steve Feldman · Post by **Steve Feldman** » 1 Mar 2002 2:51 pm

Both Mike Daley and Milo Deering play in alt country bands and sound fabulous. I think the difference could be that alt country lends itself better to steel than alt rock.

Either that or they worked for someone with good teeth.

Dernit Ernest...you beat me to the punchline...

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 1 Mar 2002 3:12 pm

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Kim West · Post by **Kim West** » 1 Mar 2002 7:40 pm

lordy, lordy--what in the world am i getting myself into? i recently purchased not one, but TWO pedal steels. and i don't know the first thing about them. actually, i know the FIRST thing: they can sound beautiful. i want to learn how to make mine sound great, as well. however, at the risk of raising the ire of some "traditionalists" out there, i play in a "rock" band, for lack of a better term. we just finished recording down in macon, and had a guy sit in with his sho-bud for a couple songs. does that make him a traitor? does that mean his playing is bad? no, that just means that he's a talented, open-minded local player who was able to pick up some easy money, get his licks on an album featuring some pretty note-worthy musicians (present company excluded), AND serve his genre well as a wonderful pedal steel ambassador. i'm not going to let the remarks by retcop88 and others of his ilk deter me from having fun, learning to play, and turning OTHERS on to the pedal steel. i intend to learn as much as i can from the "forumites" out there who are able to admit they share a passion for the same musical instrument with lots of other folks--DIFFERENT folks--who can make the world a much more enjoyable place. when you see ME on leno, check out my teeth: i've spent THOUSANDS on them! and keep your eyes open for our new album, "living on the border" by tyler thompson. you'll love it or hate it, i'm certain.

Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 1 Mar 2002 10:44 pm

I guess once again it is time:

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Kim West · Post by **Kim West** » 2 Mar 2002 12:24 am

oh GREAT! now, in addtion to trying to decipher all the numbers, lines and sqiggles y'all post here, i must now remember that above-archived post. just like telling jokes in prison, huh? apparently i just got sent down. (very funny stuff, by the way.)

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 2 Mar 2002 12:53 am

Okay, I'm going to ignore the bonehead comment about his teeth (yah, okay I'm not...); because we know that you have to look like Barbie to be a talent or grace the television screen......right.

Actually, you know I've come across and really panned a few people before, Mutt Lange is one I've really picked on before, so it's not like I'm going for a sainthood here.

You know what intially got me annoyed, the fact that Ran's music was termed 'heavy metal rock.' Now, it might sound like I'm splitting hairs, but the thing is there's long lineage to alterna-country.
Ryan at times can do drawn out blues jams, (Today I was just listening to a re-peat of a live-to-air radio gig he did in Melbourne in late Jan.'); and it reminded me of certain Southern-rock groups from the late 1960s and 1970s.
Some of his other material reminded me of early Jackson Browne, especially the stuff where Sneaky Pete and/or David Lindely use distortion on their guitar parts.
It's not like there's a reference point for all this stuff, cow-punk, No-Depression through the 1980s into the 1990s, not to mention country rock in the 1960s and 1970s.

Besides, calling Ryan hard rock or whatever is akin to someone claiming that Ernest Tubb is that whiney Bluegrass guy!

But hey.. we could always just think about those teeth.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 2 Mar 2002 3:29 am

I'm always amazed too!
Theresa

Larry Miller · Post by **Larry Miller** » 2 Mar 2002 5:14 am

I saw the show on Leno and as much as i hate to agree with Jimmy Hall I have to say the music did nothing for the steel except get a pay for a pretty good musician for a minute performance.JMHO

.....or possibly turned a young viewer on to the sound of the steel guitar,thereby, like Kim West,purchasing a used steel guitar from a dealer in his area, purchasing instructional materials from Jeff or Bruce, joining this Forum, buying Cd's from Jim or Herb. Au contrere, I think the music DID do someting for the steel guitar. Bucky could be that kid's Buddy or Lloyd, if you get my drift!

[This message was edited by Larry Miller on 02 March 2002 at 05:28 AM.]

Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 2 Mar 2002 5:56 am

Never imagined how people can use my words that wrong. Think of this:
He is there on Jay Leno, and a lot of us aren't and never will be capable of, not because of the maybe far better musical skills, but because of a narrow-scape attitude!
I wished I had the music view in my brain , that Bucky has in the nail of his little toe.
Bruce, you are right on the money!
Johan

Steve Stallings · Post by **Steve Stallings** » 2 Mar 2002 6:38 am

Boy do I like DVA's answer...lol

Humor and a real ability to pose some good natured fun at yourself go a long way in life. Just for a moment, put this in perspective with your life....pretty silly huh?

Now Martin guitars....that's really serious

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Bremond, Texas

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 2 Mar 2002 7:27 am

I don't know about the rest of the "pros" here but I think the gig with Dylan and the other guys Mr. Adams has worked with beats the hell out of my last nights gig. I can't comment on his playing and wouldn't because I haven't heard him and wouldn't anyway but his gig beats mine to death. More power to him.

Kim West · Post by **Kim West** » 2 Mar 2002 7:48 am

thanks, folks!

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 2 Mar 2002 7:49 am

Jason.. I think he made the "hard rock" comments based solely on the fact that he thought it was BRYAN ADAMS (definately a rocker). I did not see the show so I can't comment on the playing or Ryan Adams (never heard of him until this thread). I do know that I have heard some very good steel playing from Bucky.

And... If MC Hammer had a steel player, I would definately give it a listen.

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Richard Sinkler

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 2 Mar 2002 7:53 am

Gene
Im happy to see Dylan go back to guitar. Last
I saw him,,he was playing a Fender Jazz Bass.